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    Post  T.B Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:04 pm

    OK riddle me this bat-twits.

    two parts to this so bear with me.

    1. Most of us on here are involved in the industry, full or part time. I know it's not very healthy but considering the amount of venues closed or closing and the recession having no end in sight.... do we stay or do we go?

    I've only lost money at it over time but :

    effort now required Vs the cost = ?


    2. PLEASE don't take this the wrong way! I don't want to scare off newbies (we love to have you) but it got me thinking. The downturn in our scene is spookily matched with a MASSIVE surge in bedroom producers/DJs. I mean I can't even start to get into the amount of promos sent.... facebook is basically made of spam. Is it me or are the amateurs strangling the scene to death with love??


    Any piss takers will be buried up to their necks in the desert.


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    Post  Jonny Boy Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:13 pm

    I'm just posting to register me interest and to say I need some time to respond to you properly and please don't hurt me when I do.

    I am actually dead interested. computing....
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    Post  wookie Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:32 pm

    Token Bird wrote:OK riddle me this bat-twits.

    two parts to this so bear with me.

    1. Most of us on here are involved in the industry, full or part time. I know it's not very healthy but considering the amount of venues closed or closing and the recession having no end in sight.... do we stay or do we go?

    I've only lost money at it over time but :

    effort now required Vs the cost = ?


    2. PLEASE don't take this the wrong way! I don't want to scare off newbies (we love to have you) but it got me thinking. The downturn in our scene is spookily matched with a MASSIVE surge in bedroom producers/DJs. I mean I can't even start to get into the amount of promos sent.... facebook is basically made of spam. Is it me or are the amateurs strangling the scene to death with love??


    Any piss takers will be buried up to their necks in the desert.



    for question 1, i think its how deeply involved with it you are, if your full time and its your main source of income, i think your gonna have stick with it and try and make it work, as it pays your bills, or pack it in completely and get a proper job

    whereas a person involved in it part time, and has a job to pay the bills, can afford to stick it out, as they have a safety net to fall back on, so they can afford to lose some money while doing something they love.

    and for question 2, i think theres a number of reasons for the downturn in venues/clubland

    as you've mentioned the recession, its really affected the core age range of people who go out, even the students are being slightly more careful with their money now, so less people going out and all the problems that lead on from that

    i dont think its the amateurs that are suffocating the scene, dj bedroom from bradford isnt stopping someone in london from going out, it all boils down to money.

    the rise in bedroom producers is directly linked to the technology available, now all you need to start making tracks is a computer, and a copy of ableton/logic/cubase etc and you can make songs, some will be good, some not so good, if this technology was available 10-15 years ago, we'd be having that discussion then.

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    Post  Sherrers Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:45 pm

    wookie wrote: if this technology was available 10-15 years ago, we'd be having that discussion then.


    I was.

    Very Happy

    pretty much every 5 years something like this happens re; new tech

    but the club closures/recession thing is newer.

    I will get more into this later but to me, and call me an old (ace) softy but it's about giving something back.

    People (of all ages) think music, clubs...the whole thing just happens... and happens for their enjoyment.

    Eventually it gets drained in periods of drought and people don't need hosepipe bans they need to put some water back in the reservoir.

    That is the worst metaphor I have ever coined.

    More codshit later

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    Post  Jnr DJ Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:39 am

    wookie wrote:
    i dont think its the amateurs that are suffocating the scene, dj bedroom from bradford isnt stopping someone in london from going out, it all boils down to money.

    it does all boil down to money but when that bedroom DJ plays for 50 quid and some drinks tickets and it happens all over the scene (if not the world) then all the previously global scene becomes almost local.

    no one wants to stop new faces coming up on the scene. but there are basically too many DJs and most of them are not good/relying on computers/producers rather than DJs.

    Some are brilliant.

    but this is a question of economics. not just money economics but the statistics and effects.

    as a whole, the scene has become massively devalued and as tim says, under-appreciated.

    while people are having parties in their back gardens and putting tunes out on the net the club infrastructure is dying.

    having said all this i can't say if that is bad or good Question
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    Post  Fandango Widewheels Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:06 am

    The drugs just aren't as good anymore. I honestly believe that.
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    Post  wookie Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:12 am

    i see what your getting at

    and maybe the amateur scene does need to put something back in

    but on the other hand, maybe so do the big name dj's, maybe while its tight, they drop their fees etc ( i know some have already like tim),

    which in turn makes cheaper ticket prices, so people go out to a club instead of staying in, as at the moment, if your funds are limited where you gonna go

    your gonna go the night thats cheapest/most value for money
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    Post  Sherrers Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:48 am

    Without doubt (and I am quoting Basics, Fabric and more) the big names not dropping prices to meet the downturn is the true killer.

    Some agents even putting fees up Shocked in order to compensate for less frequency of bookings.


    Everyone is guilty of taking and not putting back. Top to bottom.


    I have a feeling there will eventually be a large wheat/chaff separation and things will become very interesting.
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    Post  Broadhead Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:31 am

    Ive no idea what any of you are on about.
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    Post  PW Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:15 am

    To many chiefs(djs),not enough Indians(clubbers),add to that everyone wants to be a promoter,ie rack up on the nite and act like a star and no real passion for it which shows in the end product.
    I promoted since i was 16,i am 36 now,always had jobs on the side to support me and promoted as a hobby/passion whatever you want to call it,i can honestly say that i enjoyed everyone of my nites i put on from the 600+ that used to turn up to the one i did where 8 turned up and 5 got chucked out for fighting.
    For all my faults/naivety,people knew i was genuine who did it for the party,something i really believe is lacking today,its all X factor,look at the DJ MAG TOP 100 bollocks that is about to start,i cringe when i see it,everyone needs to be the best,the top,the most loved....some of the best parties i have been to have had prob less than 200 people.
    Still love party,don't we all,just seems hard for some folk to do these days. bounce
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    Post  wookie Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:30 pm

    this recession could do for the superstar dj what the millenium did for the superclub

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    Post  Sherrers Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:23 pm

    Broadhead wrote:Ive no idea what any of you are on about.

    Scott has given up raving.

    Is there a massive bonfire in your garden made of dungarees, mixmags and poppers?

    cyclops
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    Post  Fandango Widewheels Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:14 am

    Sherrers wrote:
    Broadhead wrote:Ive no idea what any of you are on about.

    Scott has given up raving.

    Is there a massive bonfire in your garden made of dungarees, mixmags and poppers?

    cyclops

    Who's going to supply the machine gun basslines to the Detached massive?
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    Post  wookie Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:38 am

    MarkD77 wrote:
    Sherrers wrote:
    Broadhead wrote:Ive no idea what any of you are on about.

    Scott has given up raving.

    Is there a massive bonfire in your garden made of dungarees, mixmags and poppers?

    cyclops

    Who's going to supply the machine gun basslines to the Detached massive?

    a tape
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    Post  Fandango Widewheels Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:54 am

    wookie wrote:
    MarkD77 wrote:
    Sherrers wrote:
    Broadhead wrote:Ive no idea what any of you are on about.

    Scott has given up raving.

    Is there a massive bonfire in your garden made of dungarees, mixmags and poppers?

    cyclops

    Who's going to supply the machine gun basslines to the Detached massive?

    a tape

    Scott replace by a tape. Gutted.
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    Post  Sherrers Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:13 am

    Scotts Tape


    I'll get me cloak...
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    Post  Broadhead Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:17 am

    Sherrers wrote:
    Broadhead wrote:Ive no idea what any of you are on about.

    Scott has given up raving.

    Is there a massive bonfire in your garden made of dungarees, mixmags and poppers?

    cyclops

    Haha, more like hot pants, Jockey Slut and doves.

    I'm sure i will have some more adventures in clubland at some point. Im the Randy Dumpling of VVWI.
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    Post  Rentaghost Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:34 pm

    What goes around comes around...

    I've only ever been involved in "the scene" as a punter and started feeling clubs were taking the piss ages ago with high door tax, sub standared pro dj's & expensive drinks. The bubble will always eventually burst but by the same token, the underground will always survive.

    I'm mainly from the techno end of things anyway and from a music perspective, it's a rich period in terms of quality. Nobody gets into techno to make a living though it has produced some superstars who are probably busier globaly than they've ever been. These are seen as largely irrelevent however to their original fans.

    My point? I don't think newbies are killing the scene. They may be diluting it with shit but the amount of shit I hear from so called pro's makes it tough to point the finger. There will always be a scene whether for love or money.
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    Post  Rentaghost Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:36 pm

    Broadhead wrote:
    Sherrers wrote:
    Broadhead wrote:Ive no idea what any of you are on about.

    Scott has given up raving.

    Is there a massive bonfire in your garden made of dungarees, mixmags and poppers?

    cyclops

    Haha, more like hot pants, Jockey Slut and doves.

    I'm sure i will have some more adventures in clubland at some point. Im the Randy Dumpling of VVWI.

    Laughing Randy Dumpling!
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    Post  T.B Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:12 pm

    It's Runny Dumpling you Northerns!

    Laughing

    He's not retired BTW... again.
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    Post  Fandango Widewheels Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:56 pm

    Runny Dumpling and his on/off retirement is a constant source of amusement in our house. Used to love him as a DJ though. He once gave us a shout out when he was doing Radio 1 on a Saturday night cheers
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    Post  wookie Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:12 am

    i wonder what wideface was going on about with dumplings

    yeah whats going on with that, either retire or dont

    its not fucking hard
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    Post  Rentaghost Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:53 am

    The last time I heard Dumpling he was blasting out trance on Radio 1. Gash. That must be over 10 years ago though thinking about it.

    Why does he say he's hanging up the phones and then not bother?
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    Post  Broadhead Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:50 am

    Token Bird wrote:It's Runny Dumpling you Northerns!

    Laughing

    He's not retired BTW... again.

    That doesn't even work?

    Daft southerns.
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    Post  Fandango Widewheels Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:23 am

    prentaghast wrote:The last time I heard Dumpling he was blasting out trance on Radio 1. Gash. That must be over 10 years ago though thinking about it.

    Why does he say he's hanging up the phones and then not bother?

    Because he makes loads of money from retirement and comeback gigs.
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    Post  Sherrers Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:38 am

    He tried opening a posh restaurant (in the city! where nobody lives).

    Then a mad consultancy thing where you give him money and he multiplies it using love and vibes. (chain letter basically)

    Then had a shockingly unexpected comeback!

    He is a top bloke though. Really nice person.
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    Post  Son of Nod Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:34 am

    Good topic this.
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    Post  Fandango Widewheels Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:55 am

    I see he's bringing Shoom back for one night only. Seems to be some mixed opinions on that one.
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    Post  Son of Nod Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:07 am

    I am seriously outta touch with what's happening out there! Only new music is in the form of promos sent to me.

    Must sort this out!!
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    Post  Fandango Widewheels Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:11 am

    Son of Nod wrote:I am seriously outta touch with what's happening out there! Only new music is in the form of promos sent to me.

    Must sort this out!!

    There's not that much about, I spent all last weekend hunting for new stuff and proper struggled.

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